tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post7519586646320200710..comments2023-10-15T10:48:01.870-04:00Comments on Roxie's World: Progressive Versus FauxgressiveRoxie Smith Lindemannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-5349915989395652442011-06-26T11:18:24.215-04:002011-06-26T11:18:24.215-04:00I hope that Cuomo has oval office aspirations. Th...I hope that Cuomo has oval office aspirations. There's a politician with courage, and that's the kind for whom I like to vote.<br />--GooseGoosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-55101510285126583222011-06-26T01:26:32.732-04:002011-06-26T01:26:32.732-04:00I've though more about this. One of the things...I've though more about this. One of the things that I really liked about Cuomo is that HE framed the issue. Proactive vs. reactive. It's really hard to say, "Gee, thanks, but I'd really rather be on the wrong side of history."<br /><br />Compare this to those against social changes, who have been allowed to frame the argument as "family values" and "what about the childrenz." Democrats really need to learn to lead with an argument that makes the other guys look like asshats if they disagree. This is not the same thing as being reasonable and resorting to logic (though one would hope that reason and logic were behind it, somewhere).<br /><br />I am tired of the "I'll say anything to get money and votes from you, and then run my own damn bus over you in thanks -- if I remember you're there at all." Really tired. <br /><br />I wonder if Cuomo or Gillibrand have oval office aspirations?Diggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851524413793098615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-1415149442963645062011-06-25T19:46:41.937-04:002011-06-25T19:46:41.937-04:00I've never understood why so few Dems have had...<i>I've never understood why so few Dems have had the sense to embrace same-sex marriage as a golden opportunity to wave the flag and exhort citizens to do what is so obviously fair and in keeping with the happy American belief in the expansion of rights.</i><br /><br />Because centrism bipartisanship reach across the aisle bridge the divide one america&%%$%^%&^&((((*&^%$W^Q^Q%E&QE&Q&E&%Ebeepbeepbeep I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-63626789426521871042011-06-25T16:43:05.663-04:002011-06-25T16:43:05.663-04:00President Fauxbama
Hahahahahahahaaaa!
Except, yo...<i>President Fauxbama</i><br /><br />Hahahahahahahaaaa!<br /><br />Except, you have to hand it to the guy. He never tried to claim the liberal/progressive mantle--it was projected onto him by Dems who couldn't stand Hillary and/or Bill Clinton.<br /><br />Imagine a Republican standing up to give a speech about how "there is no Red America, there is no Blue American, there is only the United States of America." S/he wouldn't even make it through the Iowa straw poll. But Dems go ahead and nominate the guy and then wonder why he is eager to adopt Republican ideas and frames. Go figure.<br /><br />It's such a relief to me that I can enjoy Gay Marriage now. We'll see how it compares to straight marriage.Historiannhttp://historiann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-55593759843474441372011-06-25T16:13:33.745-04:002011-06-25T16:13:33.745-04:00@Digger: The question of how to break the linkage ...@Digger: The question of how to break the linkage between votes and money is way beyond my pay grade, but I second your point on the importance of framing issues like this as a matter of standing "on the right side of history." I've never understood why so few Dems have had the sense to embrace same-sex marriage as a golden opportunity to wave the flag and exhort citizens to do what is so obviously fair and in keeping with the happy American belief in the expansion of rights. One can only hope that the success in New York will help leaders in other states to find such courage.Roxie Smith Lindemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-79259264784772011342011-06-25T15:01:49.061-04:002011-06-25T15:01:49.061-04:00I'm really impressed with Cuomo on this. Reall...I'm really impressed with Cuomo on this. Really, really impressed. He made it clear from the get-go that this was his priority, made it *very* clear that it would be in other politician's best interest to work with him, and then framed it in public as being on "the right side of history."<br /><br />And Historiann's read my mind. I keep hoping in my heart of hearts that he's pulling strings behind the scenes, but some committed leadership would be really nice to see. Cuz right now, it looks a lot like "If you won't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."<br /><br />How do we break the linkage between votes and money?Diggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851524413793098615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-32722192638683138132011-06-25T12:48:44.695-04:002011-06-25T12:48:44.695-04:00(Dead dog reaches for virtual thinking cap, scratc...(Dead dog reaches for virtual thinking cap, scratches head, rolls over, stretches legs into air thoughtfully, as if reaching for an answer to Historiann's question.)<br /><br />Nope, nuh-uh, can't think of a single other example of this kind of thing in Democratic politics, unless -- oh, wait just a second now, something is slowly rising up from the depths of consciousness -- you could be thinking of a certain president who has described himself as a <i>fierce advocate</i> for LGBT equality but turns out to be, in fact, a <i>fierce advocate</i> of his own reelection? Is that the guy you have in mind, Historiann? The one who has suddenly become passionately committed to <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/obama-gay-rights-fundraiser-new-york_n_883546.html" rel="nofollow"> states' rights</a> rather than gay rights?<br /><br />Gosh, Historiann, if I didn't know better, I'd say your newly embraced gay identity has made you cynical or something! Don't be so hard on poor President Fauxbama -- He knows what he's doing, even if none of the rest of do.Roxie Smith Lindemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-36827746737935506872011-06-25T12:18:27.770-04:002011-06-25T12:18:27.770-04:00w00t!w00t!Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-28155994323006412222011-06-25T12:08:58.827-04:002011-06-25T12:08:58.827-04:00Does O'Malley the Gutless Wonder's style o...Does O'Malley the Gutless Wonder's style of leadership remind you of anyone else, Roxie?<br /><br />Seems like it's fashionable to say nice things to the gays when they're at $2,500 a plate fundraisers but promise nothing.Historiannhttp://historiann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-29765362727536335582011-06-25T11:37:52.465-04:002011-06-25T11:37:52.465-04:00Yay New York!
(It strikes me as... well, deeply p...Yay New York!<br /><br />(It strikes me as... well, deeply patriarchal, that there are no women in the upper picture. I guess none of the big players in NY politics are female these days?)<br /><br />Still, yay!Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.com