tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post7211728486278059200..comments2023-10-15T10:48:01.870-04:00Comments on Roxie's World: Cheering the Color LineRoxie Smith Lindemannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-56079942316330157422008-08-31T00:45:00.000-04:002008-08-31T00:45:00.000-04:00Now, Eitan, I know you've been well trained over t...Now, Eitan, I know you've been well trained over there at Queer the Turtle U in the skills of close reading. Go back and read the third sentence of the last paragraph of this post again. It was revised, by order of Goose, to try to clarify that this was NOT (quite, yet) an endorsement of Obama. We are sorry to defer your happiness, but so it goes in Roxie's World. ;-)Roxie Smith Lindemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-3562367688428205042008-08-30T23:49:00.000-04:002008-08-30T23:49:00.000-04:00Could this possibly be... the long awaited Obama e...Could this possibly be... the long awaited Obama endorsement?!?!?<BR/><BR/>If it is, consider me the happiest citizen of Roxie's World.Eitanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06048819747086690385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-15615283655156310922008-08-30T16:38:00.000-04:002008-08-30T16:38:00.000-04:00Hi Roxie--thanks for the link, and the comment ove...Hi Roxie--thanks for the link, and the comment over at my place. I think Dems are mightily hacked off that McCain successfully turned the coversation away from the Dems and Obama's historic speech and candidacy, and in selecting Palin, he's saying that "change" isn't something that the Dems own. But, Dems just can't shut up with the stupid, sexist attacks so far, and that could end up suppressing the Dem women's vote. I know that I won't feel happy to reward this bad behavior, although I will never pull the lever for McCain/Palin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-34858641020387695862008-08-30T10:50:00.000-04:002008-08-30T10:50:00.000-04:00First, ole Goose here wants to weigh and say how m...First, ole Goose here wants to weigh and say how much all of us should celebrate the crossing of the color line that has occurred whether Obama wins the White House or not (and he probably will). I'm very pleased by the pic you chose, Rox, and, as you know, I think that little Sasha, rascal that she is, is quite the charmer. And she can make her father giggle, totally disarmed by her irrepressible cuteness, which is quite important. That little Piper Palin is another irrepressible one. . .the campaigns should let those two innocent mischief makers romp together: THAT would be the beginnings of a politics of a new order.<BR/><BR/>Having slept on McCain's selection, I think that anyone who tries to write it off as simply an effort to pick off Hillary voters does so at his or her peril, and so I really appreciate your comment, EI. Her conservative stands match what McCain was looking for and the fact of her selection reminds voters that he is a maverick, at least sometimes, and that a woman's place can indeed be in the executive branch. I thought liberal commentators foolish (and sexist) for simply saying that McCain was insulting women and Hillary voters in particular by picking her. It's more complex than that. Just as blacks, queers, and other constituencies are not one block of one mindset, so women are not, and do not march in lockstep to a certain set of political opinions. Yet some commentators were talking yesterday as if we do.<BR/><BR/>Which brings me to another matter, which I think is another important aspect of her candidacy. Democrats have been talking all through the spring and summer as if the "youth vote" is singleminded. Yet young voters are as diverse and of as many minds as any other group, and in a not-so-subtle way, the selection of Palin reminds everyone that there are young conservatives as well as moderates, liberals, radicals, anarchists, apoliticals. Democrats need to stop talking as if group think rules (this has bothered me for far longer than this election, by the way). So, the selection of Palin doesn't win my vote, but that doesn't mean it won't win other women's and independents' votes.<BR/><BR/>And I too wish the Obamas well and am pleased as punch by pics such as the one atop this post, Rox. Thanks for putting it front and center -- it's more than a symbol and that's heartening.<BR/>--GooseMartha Nell Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10066686045532002283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-40243781164992874292008-08-30T10:36:00.000-04:002008-08-30T10:36:00.000-04:00Thanks so much for that shrewd nugget of insight f...Thanks so much for that shrewd nugget of insight from Jane Hamsher, EI. Her commentary is spot-on, and I hope nothing in my off-the-cuff reaction to Palin's selection suggested that we are taking her lightly or, worse, treating her in the vicious, sexist way that others are. Our blog pal Historiann has a good analysis of that up now. It's <A HREF="http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Guess it was too much to hope that the MSM and the "progressive" blogosphere would have learned a lesson or two about misogyny through the crucible of Hillary, but we have two words for anyone tempted to under-estimate a ticket that includes an inexperienced v.p. candidate: Dan Quayle.Roxie Smith Lindemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-26763883548031973122008-08-29T20:53:00.000-04:002008-08-29T20:53:00.000-04:00Hi Roxie, first here's to Obama's journey "under, ...Hi Roxie, first here's to Obama's journey "under, over and around the color line!" It's only a few months to go -- he's held up beautifully under the pressure so far, and the same for Michele -- well done! <BR/><BR/>On Sarah Palin, I wish this were my own comment, and I apologize that I am still too confused by McCain's not picking a more moderate woman candidate - but I was touched by and quite agree with this unexpectedly sensitive, feminist take by Jane Hamsher (firedoglake.com):<BR/><BR/>"I have to say that as a woman, there is something intuitively appealing about her selection, even though I politically disagree with everything she believes in and would never in a million years vote for her. And we're hearing a lot about Obama's support for equal pay and Joe Biden's championing of domestic violence legislation because a large part of the female voting block is in play. I'm still not quite sure why Obama didn't try and lock that vote down by overlooking the personal animosity he and Clinton shared and picking her as his running mate, but he didn't. The chemistry between Obama and Biden is good, and watching them together last night I thought they made an appealing combination. But it also carries risks that McCain decided to exploit.<BR/><BR/>"The good news is that women's issues are going to become front and center for this campaign. I haven't seen enough of Palin to know how well she could do against Biden in a debate, but I'm not sure it matters. If she doesn't make some horrible gaffe, what she stands for symbolically will be more important than anything she says.<BR/><BR/>"I'd just recommend that if anyone is thinking of going on teevee and tearing her down by saying she doesn't care about the victims of Hurricane Katrina but only cries about her looks, they might want to reconsider."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com