tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post1469653990723695558..comments2023-10-15T10:48:01.870-04:00Comments on Roxie's World: Repetitive MotionsRoxie Smith Lindemannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-82888251866415517792008-11-12T19:20:00.000-05:002008-11-12T19:20:00.000-05:00Thank you, Roxie, for this.Thank you, Roxie, for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-40499949142165452692008-11-12T10:40:00.000-05:002008-11-12T10:40:00.000-05:00It is time to decouple benefits and rights from ma...It is time to decouple benefits and rights from marriage. See Beyond (Straight and Gay) Marriage by AU law professor Nancy Polikoff.<BR/><BR/>Value all typeso of families equally under the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-65917106633879665182008-11-12T09:33:00.000-05:002008-11-12T09:33:00.000-05:00It's unfortunate that the "blame the black folks" ...It's unfortunate that the "blame the black folks" canard is making the rounds at all. I realize Jon Stewart's job is satire, not conveying the real news, but still.<BR/><BR/>Nate Silver, who has pretty much the best statistical information on this election, says <A HREF="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html" REL="nofollow"> no</A> to said canard. Silver's a baseball stat guy, which makes it rather nice that he showed up all those highly paid polling group experts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-32121211961993855262008-11-11T15:06:00.000-05:002008-11-11T15:06:00.000-05:00Thanks Roxie, this post is incredible btw, I've se...Thanks Roxie, this post is incredible btw, I've sent it out through my online channels as the "post on prop 8 I've been waiting for." It gives the movement a logical and reasoned direction in which to venture that has been sorely lacking in the hurt, confused, and angry haze of post prop 8 dialogue.<BR/><BR/>That being said, the Shakesparody was in response to the part starting at, [B]"does it matter if we call it “marriage"?"[/B]<BR/><BR/>You're reading of it is a fair one, the logic of the parody was ambiguous at best. To clarify, the parody was my attempt at saying YES it matters that we call it marriage. And as frustrating, and seemingly wasteful the struggle might seem it's an important one. <BR/><BR/>I think that tying the argument of assimilation to the fight over naming it marriage or not might limit the queer movement more than liberate it. To decide to reject the institution of marriage implies the ability to accept it. And what America (to my dismay) is telling us now is that you do not have that ability. <BR/><BR/>Because of the way the argument has been framed nationally, it makes me feel like we have to fight for your right to call it marriage and then you can decide whether to accept or reject it. Unless the conflict can be re-imagined in a completely different frame, to accept civil unions is to accept a government sanctioned "othering" of the queer community that I simply can not accept.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the logic can be fixed with a second draft:<BR/><BR/>To call it marriage, or not to call it marriage: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the stings and arrows of outrageous bigotry, or to take arms against a sea of ignorance and by opposing end them? To fight: to educate; and by fighting to say we may end the heart-ache and the thousand "natural" mis-truths that ignorance is heir to, 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd. To fight, to educate; to marry: perchance to assimilate*: ay, there's the rub. . .<BR/><BR/>*Stress on “perchance” meaning “maybe”Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15223089032935732430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-47926111892138152322008-11-10T23:06:00.000-05:002008-11-10T23:06:00.000-05:00QTA -- Thanks. It nearly killed us, but we got it...QTA -- Thanks. It nearly killed us, but we got it out. Glad you liked it.<BR/><BR/>Kenton -- Love your fun w/ Shakespeare, though the logic is a little troubling -- since by the terms of your parody to choose not to assimilate is to choose not to be. Right? Or perhaps your amended "Perchance to marry" implies that that way lies un-being.<BR/><BR/>Sigh. It's all so complicated. I need another nap. To sleep --Roxie Smith Lindemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06455529922082930949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-35395548790437911812008-11-10T19:41:00.000-05:002008-11-10T19:41:00.000-05:00oh damn, I meant to end it "to assimilate: Perchan...oh damn, I meant to end it "to assimilate: Perchance to marry: ay, there's the rub. . ."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15223089032935732430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-6698449267632274472008-11-10T19:38:00.000-05:002008-11-10T19:38:00.000-05:00to assimilate, or not to assimilate: that is the q...to assimilate, or not to assimilate: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the stings and arrows of outrageous bigotry, or to take arms against a sea of ignorance and by opposing end them? To fight: to educate; no more; and by fighting to say we may end the heart-ache and the thousand "natural" mis-truths that ignorance is heir to, 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd. To fight, to educate; to assimilate: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub. . .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15223089032935732430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23938076.post-82214047488906011172008-11-10T19:14:00.000-05:002008-11-10T19:14:00.000-05:00Wow Roxie. Simply put, I think this is the single...Wow Roxie. Simply put, I think this is the single best post you have ever written. Thank you.qtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01907222771263313661noreply@blogger.com